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DFDureiko

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Motion 29
« on: January 23, 2010, 03:08:50 PM »

not sure if anyone knows what 29 was, as it was withdrawn.
Norm B, proposed a 5 dollar increase for those under 60, and 20 dollar for those over 60,
the rational being, those working can't take advantage of so many of the benifits of the club while those retired can take full advantage.
I appear to be the only person that agreed with him. I think he was truly making an effort to do something good....on short notice.
Dan
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Re: Motion 29
« Reply #1 on: January 23, 2010, 03:23:35 PM »

I don't think the word got out over the feed on that one.  Even though I don't like the idea of a $20. increase I could support that idea.  I would also support giving the lower rate to any new member for the first year as it is getting pretty pricey to try the club without knowing what you are buying.
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Re: Motion 29
« Reply #2 on: January 23, 2010, 03:49:14 PM »

OTOH, it is largely the over 60 crowd that keep this railroad running.  A large number are on fixed incomes, as well.  I think that approach is dead wrong.

I would support a lower first-year dues.
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Re: Motion 29
« Reply #3 on: January 23, 2010, 04:23:44 PM »

Well the way I see it, if they loose money at the next international rally and in the future.I never attend those rallies.They raise my dues to help pay for miss management, bad contracts and more special interest groups .I will leave the club as stated by "Mr. Larson, said then leave the club if you think your getting a bad value for the dues you pay."many will vacate.
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Re: Motion 29
« Reply #4 on: January 23, 2010, 04:58:55 PM »

Anyone have a summary of todays, Jan 23rd, IBT meeting?
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Re: Motion 29
« Reply #5 on: January 23, 2010, 05:21:49 PM »

Interesting motion. How would that work if a member was over 60 and his spouse (partner) was under 60? BTW, I know plenty of folks who are over 60 and still working. Wouldn't a better solution be to surcharge the people who go on these caravans and special event a small amount.   
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Re: Motion 29
« Reply #6 on: January 23, 2010, 06:02:05 PM »

Following is the summary that i provided to our Unit Executive in Ontario.

The Mid-winter IBT meeting is now over and the results will slowly make their way through the Club.   I have watched the proceedings of the Seminar on Wednesday and Thursday and the IBT meeting today.  Here are my observations, for what they are worth:
1)    Rally Deficit: The $103k loss on Madison was excused as being the victim of high fuel prices and a plunging economy.  No apparent lessons have been learned, as we still seem to be planning rallies for 1500 rigs.
2)    The Motion to create another Rally Fund for the Mid-Winter IBT was soundly defeated.  It just looked like another attempt at slight of hand accounting.
3)    All the Motions on Financial Reporting were approved.  This will hopefully open up the information on Club finances.
4)    The Motion to reduce International Officer expenses was twice amended and ultimately approved as a 25% reduction from amounts in the Blue Book.  The actual savings will be less than 25% because the EC has been under spending  by about 16%.
5)    The Motion to reduce Regional officers expenses by 10% passed.
6)    The Motion to increase dues by $20 was amended to a $10 increase (after much discussion and some emotion).  So, effective next fiscal year, International dues will be $65 US.  Missing was discussion about how to live within our revenue - opposition to an increase was actually referred to as `whining, sniveling and simpering` by one PIP.  IPP Larson wondered aloud why anyone who doesn`t think that they are getting good value for their $55 or $65 would continue to be a member (evidently it hasn`t ocurred to him that this may be a reason why the Club has over 1000 members a year who don`t renew).  No doubt we will all find out how many will choose not to be a member next year.  The issue isn`t about the dollar amount, its about confidence that our money is being well managed.  We were also warned that $10 isn`t enough and we will have to revisit this next year.
7)    Roy`s motion on meeting dates at the International rally was withdrawn after a verbal commitment for the next two rally leaders (1VP and 2VP) to make schedule changes.
8)    The Motion to eliminate proportional voting was defeated.   Good thing, as it would have eliminated the possibility of attaining a two thirds majority of members for needed future constitutional changes.
9)    The series of Motions to amend and tighten the rules and confidentiality (secrecy) of the grievance process were consolidated and revised (we don`t know how) and then passed without discussion or objection.
10)    Roy`s motion to allow an appeal of a sentence of probation was defeated on the premise that probation isn`t really a punishment, just a warning.  BS - imposition of probation means that you have been found guilty of something.
11)    Motion 26 to force a re-organization of WBCCI by reducing from 12 Regions to 7 and re-defining the International rally was instead replaced with a directive from the President to refer the issues to the 2020 Committee.   2020 is now asked to advise the IBT on a 2 phase approach, with recommendations on restructuring the International Rally and eliminating the 3VP position submitted to IBT by January 2011 and recommendations on reducing the number of Regions sent to IBT by January 2012.  Since it isn`t a Motion, nothing binds anyone to a specific outcome or action.
12)    One more - the Marketing Committee had its budget approved, which will add about $5k to this year`s deficit and about $15k next year.  Lets hope that the increased revenue projections from advertisers and new members pan out.
 
While the body language in the room may have indicated differently, the sound track suggested to me that we have two camps in WBCCI - one that feels everything will be fine if we have more money; and one that feels the Club needs a major overhaul to face a different future.  There were more of the former present in Rayne.

Cheers,
Kerry #5417
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Re: Motion 29
« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2010, 06:18:25 PM »

Nice summary Kerry.
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Re: Motion 29
« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2010, 10:06:41 PM »

What was accomplished at this IBT meeting? It seems like a bandage approach.I heard  the IBT make a plea, for people to stop being so negative about the club.  Its really easy to see our leadership is going to have to blame the economy next year,when there is another deficit in the 2010 - 2011 account.
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Re: Motion 29
« Reply #9 on: January 24, 2010, 10:21:26 AM »

Can anyone list the 29 motions as they ended up?  The original pre-IBT publication listed 25 motions, later expanded to 26.   So what were the extra three?  Or more, since KerBett said that the eight grievance and disciplinary amendments were combined.

Sorry to see the latter pass--looks like they are sharpening up their axe for Leo.  (And quite a few more of us before it's all over.)  The only good thing about it is that walking the plank doesn't amount to much when the decks are already awash.
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Re: Motion 29
« Reply #10 on: January 24, 2010, 11:21:45 AM »

Anyone up there is more than welcome to file a grievance against me.  It would mean instant resignation from the club.  No more Region 9 Webmaster, no more Unit President, Webmaster, Newsletter Editor, and Directory Editor combined.

When no longer in the club, then the gags come off.
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Re: Motion 29
« Reply #11 on: January 24, 2010, 01:48:51 PM »

Anyone up there is more than welcome to file a grievance against me.  It would mean instant resignation from the club.  No more Region 9 Webmaster, no more Unit President, Webmaster, Newsletter Editor, and Directory Editor combined.

When no longer in the club, then the gags come off.

John,

Wow, you're what they call a High Value Target!  But seriously, that's what the Internationals need to be thinking about--discontent is not centered in rank and file members, it's centered in Unit officers and workers who make the club work.

And yeah, these are people who can influence their units, start non-WBCCI-affiliated clubs, and pose a major league PR problem for the WBCCI if they're tossed out.

(By the way, I think there's a clause in the Blue Book that says you can't resign while there is a grievance in process against you.)
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Re: Motion 29
« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2010, 01:58:28 PM »

John,

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(By the way, I think there's a clause in the Blue Book that says you can't resign while there is a grievance in process against you.)
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I wonder how that would be enforced?  Force the member to pay dues, to participate or perhaps by expulsion.

Bill
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Re: Motion 29
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2010, 02:57:44 PM »

 Its to bad whats happening to the club,you know what, they really could care less who leaves the WBCCI that's what I got from Mr. Larson past national president at the IBT simulcast statement .You don't like it to bad,then leave,"we want Quality not quantity.mission statement of Norm Bue @ region 1, 2008 in PEI Canada".
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Re: Motion 29
« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2010, 03:26:24 PM »

Personally, I think Jerry was just trying to be sarcastic. Unfortunately he did not do it very well.

 His suggestion was:" If you are not getting your money's worth you should quit." The implied statement is:  Don't complain publicly on the forums about not getting your money's worth - Just Quit.

 Also unfortunately he he has not done the analysis of what benefits the average member gets from the club, what benefits they see as having value and what it cost the International club to provide those benefits.  Using himself and other retired full time maga user of international level provided benefits.
He  thinks the club gives him (and his kind) a lot of benefits.  If you are like him, and take club caravans all the time and attend all the special event rallies, you are getting more than your money's worth.  If you are just attending local weekend rallies you are not getting your money's worth.

 35% of that $65 dollars dues goes to support the International and Region officers's touring expenses. 50% of the money goes to keeping the Headquarters working. staff salary and operations. About 10% of it goes to buying an insurance policy to protect the local officers from lawsuits that might happen at a sponsored event.  Without that insurance, no one would be dumb enough to volunteer to be a local officer and local chapters would cease to exist.

I think the members are complaining that 35% of our dues money going to support the International and Region officers travelling the countryside advertising their rallies is too much.

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