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Re: South Dakota Unit Disbands - a continuing trend
« Reply #15 on: November 07, 2009, 07:42:13 PM »

Attending an International is a requirement of International officers and of VAC officers.

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Re: South Dakota Unit Disbands - a continuing trend
« Reply #16 on: November 07, 2009, 10:38:08 PM »

As someone who has belonged as an associate to a good number of units and has attended unit and region rallies across the USA, I can tell you the picture is not rosy.

We were 25 year members of region 4.  There may be one healthy unit in the region.  The rest are not.  At age 65, my wife and I were some of the younger region members.   Our club has relatively young members, but no one wants to be an officer.  And it is under 20 units!

A couple of years back, we joined a unit rally in TX.  Only the officers came and they were all our parents age!

The slope is getting steep!
I'm in Region 4.  We may not be the strongest Region, but were definitely not the weakest, either.  Certainly most of the units are not as big as they were a few years ago.  I am wondering which Region 4 Unit you think might be the only healthy one?

I'm in the Metro-Detroit Unit and our Unit 1st VP is 22 and the 2nd VP is in her 30's!  I am only in my 40's (but not a Unit officer).  We actually have a mix of young and senior members.  It is getting tougher to find volunteers to put on events and be officers, but we do seem to be getting some of our newer (and younger) members showing up to rallies, which is a good sign.  Most of our rallies are fairly laid back and they try to include activities for kids.

But I do agree with you that the overall picture is not rosy in the near term.  There is going to continue to be a lot of senior member attrition all across WBCCI, so we need to find a way to make the club attractive to new and younger members to make up for those losses.  This year I volunteered to organize a White Water Rafting trip for the Region 4 Rally.  It was very well received.  We need more innovative activities like that and less formality.
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Re: South Dakota Unit Disbands - a continuing trend
« Reply #17 on: November 08, 2009, 08:58:17 AM »

Attending an International is a requirement of International officers and of VAC officers.

Bill

Bill, that is nice to know... but is certainly not the vibe I have been getting.  ;)
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Re: South Dakota Unit Disbands - a continuing trend
« Reply #18 on: November 08, 2009, 03:13:42 PM »

Last evening, I baecame President of Texas Highland Lakes Unit.  I kind of backed into the job due to two resignations, one of which was for medical reasons. 

The good news is that we are up to 78 members and a bunch of associate members.  Only 6 members, mostly folks that had never participated, didn't renew and we expect that two of those may still renew.  This is the lowest dropout rate we have had in years.

Our rallies average 26 rigs plus some drive-ins.  The installation rally, with a few canceling because of medical issues, still pushed 30 rigs.  Our finances are good enough that this was a free rally except for parking and our unit dues for existing members for 2010 are free for those renewing before 11/1.

Our International President was at the rally (it was at NTAC, where he lives) and he said that membership renewals are up and Gillette registrations are ahead of Madison at this time last year.  He didn't foresee stopping the membership drain, but felt that it will be reduced significantly.
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Re: South Dakota Unit Disbands - a continuing trend
« Reply #19 on: November 10, 2009, 12:09:27 AM »

Hey John!!  Congrats!!  Well, maybe...   :D

I know you've got the energy and drive, just don't let the bastards get you down.  Glad to see that you've made it to the top -- sorry to see that you've been catapulted there by two resignations.

We sure hope that Gayland is doing WELL -- hoping he'll be better sooner and returning to a healthy lifestyle -- all to his liking!

Hoping you have a GREAT year and maybe now we'll see you in Gillette?

Hey -- don't be too quick to make reservations for that $6K Unit President's Appreciation Dinner -- we'll looking into having a Unit Appreciation Cook-out again.  If we all chip in, it could be even better than last years event (attended by roughly 50 members with live music to boot!)...

$6K here, $125K there, we could turn a profit yet if we could just keep leaders from sucking up all of those membership funds!  ;D
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Re: South Dakota Unit Disbands - a continuing trend
« Reply #20 on: November 10, 2009, 10:27:44 AM »

Tom Collier sat beside me at my installation dinner.  I told him I wwould not be in Gillette.  It was a pleasant evening and I didn't want to spoil anyone's enjoyment, so I kept my mouth closed.
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Re: South Dakota Unit Disbands - a continuing trend
« Reply #21 on: November 10, 2009, 10:34:30 AM »

I hear you, sometimes FUN should prevail even over reality.  Tom truly comes across as a nice guy though.  The reality - what plays out behind the scenes is anyone's guess...  My conversations with Tom have always been cordial, pleasant, and on occasion filled with humor...  :)
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Re: South Dakota Unit Disbands - a continuing trend
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2009, 01:39:24 PM »

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I'm in the Metro-Detroit Unit and our Unit 1st VP is 22 and the 2nd VP is in her 30's!  I am only in my 40's (but not a Unit officer).  We actually have a mix of young and senior members.  It is getting tougher to find volunteers to put on events and be officers, but we do seem to be getting some of our newer (and younger) members showing up to rallies, which is a good sign.  Most of our rallies are fairly laid back and they try to include activities for kids.

Yours is the one I had in mind...
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Re: South Dakota Unit Disbands - a continuing trend
« Reply #23 on: November 26, 2009, 12:58:17 PM »

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At 49, I guess I am young (relatively  ;)) I'd certainly consider putting my name in the hat for an officer position, but for one fact... the requirement to attend the International rallies.
I am a ujnit President that is not going to the International Rally.  At my installation, I sat next to IP Tom Collins and told him that I had made other plans before  I was catapulted into the office by others resigning.  Tom did not object.

I'll seek someone else from the unit to carry the flag and represent the unit in 2010.  If that fails, then no one will carry the flag.  Simple as that.
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Re: South Dakota Unit Disbands - a continuing trend
« Reply #24 on: November 27, 2009, 11:05:56 AM »

MetroNY has not participated in the opening ceremonies the last two years.  Granted two years ago there was a misunderstanding -- we thought the flag was being carried, but when it didn't happen, that certainly didn't affect my world...

As Unit Prez, believing that procession is just one of many events that keeps this club out of the 21st century, I refused to carry it.  I did ask members that I knew were attending if they would like to carry it.  The closest I got to a commitment was a long time member that thought I should carry it.  I thought she should carry it, and that's where we left off.  ;)

I think we'd do this club a great favor if we all just skipped that opening ceremony.  It could be done differently so that it could be fun, but I think it's more important that we take that paramilitary procession and the Teen Queen contest and toss them both up into the ancient relic bin where they belong. 

There's a real space premium in these Airstreams, and jackets, dress shirts, red ties, and polished shoes have NOTHING to do with Airstream ownership.

Back on topic, we'll post a list of the units that have gone defunct once the new membership directories come out...
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Re: South Dakota Unit Disbands - a continuing trend
« Reply #25 on: November 27, 2009, 11:55:06 AM »

Leo,

Are you pulling these these failed units off the Save Wally Unit Guide? Out of curiosity - along with the decline in membership, is there a corresponding drop in the number of Rallies?
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Re: South Dakota Unit Disbands - a continuing trend
« Reply #26 on: November 27, 2009, 12:05:28 PM »

SaveWally's WBCCI Unit Guide is still running on 2009 data, but yes, these units will disappear there as well.

I've already started a new database for the 2010 data.  I've revisited Google Maps as well.  There were some limitations to Google Maps when I attempted to incorporate club-wide maps in 2008, so it sat half finished, never released.  I've stripped all of the old maps out, and have started to build 2010 maps. I'm pretty sure it's going to work -- won't know until I really start to load this thing up, but here are two links, the first a standard page with a 2010 map incorporated (yet still showing 2009 data), and the club-wide map as it sits today (added to every day)...

http://wbcci.savewally.org/?page_id=184

Worth mentioning...  In the bottom left hand corner of that map, there's a R02 U072 link.  Click on that to get that map full screen with the list of events in the left hand column...

http://maps.google.com/maps/ms?ie=UTF8&hl=en&msa=0&msid=113624083036078434831.0004783334129c86bba53&ll=37.579413,-97.207031&spn=46.894367,67.587891&z=4

My first hiccup, is that the club-wide map will only display a page full of listings at a time.  I've already gone onto a second page (scroll to bottom).  When on the 2nd page, only 2nd page data shows.  Something else I need to find a workaround for.  I think I have the answer, I just don't like the answer....  >:(

...and yes, overall activities and functions dropped between the two years.  Too early to tell for 2010.

Here's the upside - at least here in MetroNY...  There are so many things to do, that you find yourself being selective about which and how many events you can attend in a single season.  Even with LESS on the calendar, there is still a whole lot more local to me, that I just don't have the time to attend. 

THAT is still pretty promising...
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Re: South Dakota Unit Disbands - a continuing trend
« Reply #27 on: November 27, 2009, 02:23:07 PM »

Leo,

great resource... the strength of this club is the talents and efforts of ALL it's members... not just the ones that wear the rose colored glasses.
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Re: South Dakota Unit Disbands - Manitoba Bows Out Too!
« Reply #28 on: December 02, 2009, 07:48:24 PM »

Bummer -- add the Manitoba Unit to the mix.  Two units dissolve with many joining the North Dakota Unit instead.

I'm sure the remaining members are happy, the newsletter demonstrates as much, but our overall focus just has to be off.

http://nodak.wbcci.net/files/2009/12/nd-newsletter-12-09.pdf

Region 7 is now down to just THREE Units, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and North Dakota Peace Garden.  FEWER than 200 members.  Do these three units, these ~200 members actually qualify as a region any longer?

The problem isn't Region 7 -- we see this going on everywhere.  I've had discussions with folks in both Region 2 and Region 3 from units that claim their units will age out over the next couple of years, it's aging out that is the real problem here.  It's not that today's youth aren't joiners (first define youth), it's that many of these units have failed at recruiting from a broad pool of Airstream owners for so long, that youth doesn't see anything familiar to them when they're looking at some of these units, and it is these aging members from these units that raise that point precisely.

There are proud members of some long term historic units (and the two that just terminated were long term units) that would love for youth to come in, take over, carry the ball, but their membership is so close to retiring from the RV lifestyle that they know they have very little in the way of attracting and retaining youth -- it's a FACT.

So if they're going to age out, then it's going to take both programs and efforts to get a wide variety of active Airstreamers to congregate in those same territories, to either pick up that historic charter, or simply start anew.

If leadership is content with this club's entry level being retirees, if they're not able or willing to modify the structure, making it financially responsible, then all they need do is modify both their mission statement and vision.  Youth will happily move along to something fresher, more relevant to the overall Airstream ownership experience, something that equally targets ALL age groups and each and every conceivable family unit that might come along.

Otherwise every unit has a responsibility to continually recruit new members from ALL age groups and family status, and the activities should be targeted towards youth and fitness.

We're watching too many units age-out with the root cause being a failure to recruit, and current members no longer willing to pick up the ball and run with it.  We have many aging units that have their Past Unit Presidents coming around for another term as Unit President.  Airstream owners on the outside aren't interested in coming in to a demographic that looks nothing like they do.  Diversity is the key, but where is that emphasis from leadership?

What responsibility does the Region and International take for these events happening under their watch?  What are we paying them for, exactly? ???

Where are the educational programs, are they readily available to Unit Leadership, or does one have to travel cross country to attend an International to get that information?  What role does Region Leadership play in helping units remain viable and growing?

What are we getting for $125,000.00 of annual International Officer Reimbursements?  Just - what - are - we - getting?

Where is our North American Membership Recruiting Initiative, one that focuses on identifying and recruiting new owners of used Airstreams?  We think we have new Airstreams covered via postcard but what is that truly yielding - where are the numbers?

Surely annual used sales outnumber new unit sales 5:1 or more, no?  Has anyone tracked how many Airstreams sell through Ebay a week, a month?  Is anyone contacting those sellers, making sure that they're using OUR club as a recruitment tool?  How about Craigslist?  Where's the national plan for that?  Where does our International Membership Chair stand on these matters?

So, we can already paint two units gone for 2010.  No idea what the real membership fallout is, just yet.

The inaction continues, and each and everyone of us can clearly point our fingers to the top.  It is they that have violated the first opening line in our Code of Ethics.  Through their lack of ability to manage a club, to see it grow and operate profitably, to do what is right both financially and respectfully to the entire membership of this club, it is leadership that fails us, daily...

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Re: South Dakota Unit Disbands - a continuing trend
« Reply #29 on: December 02, 2009, 10:20:48 PM »

Leo,

You are correct, the youth of today "ARE" joiners! I was talking to a fellow WDCU member today on the phone about the club, the ages in the club as a whole and the ages in the WDCU. He said and I quote:

"Paul, you are not a young member of the WDCU anymore!" "We have a lot younger members than you now at are rallies"

I'm "FORTY-FIVE" years old with a soon to be eight year-old daughter!!

So, if the WDCU can make me start to feel like an "Old Man" at forty-five, other units should be able to find members and 50-55yrs all day long!

Provide something people enjoy and they will come from "ALL" ages to be there!

It's just very sad to read the final news letter of a Unit. After all the hard work, time, effort and friends to end on that note. Just sad. I only hope the same never happens to another Unit and the WBCCI

Paul Waddell
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