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The Greg Gibson thread
« on: September 27, 2009, 09:35:19 AM »
Air Forums by AndyR closed all Wbcci stuff for the time being and suggested to take it here.

We here are of of the opinion that he is a jerk and needs to be delt with in an open muzzled forum.

So begin.

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Re: The Greg Gibson thread
« Reply #1 on: September 27, 2009, 10:15:41 AM »
This is my opinion as a member of the club and my experience and observation of a few of the issues that I have seen so far:

1. The WBCCI has relegated the control of its official forum to a commercial vender that does not have to follow its very own terms of service and can remain unidentified and link to a commercial site where as a regular member of the forums cannot do that.  He is singularly exempt.

2. The administrator has banned IP addresses in the past openly and even after the International President of WBCCI so determined that access to be restored now there is a clever redirection and malicious script that feins server busy errors and blank pages and time outs to those same IP addresses.  And then there are the surfaced posts of Greg Gibson asking about the adminstrator's software to frustrate and make "miserable" posters get tired and go away and where can he find this "wonderful plausibly deniable" feature to employ.

3.  He has taken member action in the form of filing many grievances within the WBCCI to appease his emotional responses to bonifide criticism of the forum, and now by his own announcement claims to have esculated his filing to the police, his lawyers, the FBI, etc.  And as found in various posts on Save Wally his threats, manner of speaking and name calling are very retallitory in nature and personal and not befitting a forums administrator who must give much attention to being objective and even tempered.

Those are the things that have affected me directly in fact since my IP address is one that is on that black list that can be easily denied by Gibson.  How wonderful, says he!

4.  There is also the area of past performance of region 3 and not performing satisfactorily in his updating and his servicing of the site as web master according to the comments given at the meeting during the report which you can hear on the recording.

5.  A commercial vender owning but most importantly directing WBCCI members unsuspectingly and not indicating that they are leaving the official web site of the forums and are entering and being directed to his commercial web site is  not as forthright as I would expect our club leaders would demand in the way of member protection.  To charge members to  list their Airstreams for sale, when it has always been free of charge formerly is a misstep and should be addressed by WBCCI leadership and corrected.  The TOS of the new forums restricts that kind of activity and no other vender is allowed to exercise that exemption.  This particular arrangement with a commercial vender appears as a conflict of interest  because he is in a position to profit from charging for what once was a free service and to inconspicuously appear as official WBCCI pages upon redirect.  Not to reflect negatively on forums that they have the ability and latitude to make a profit but I believe the official WBCCI not for profit club should have the priority to extend benefits for its members before the priority of allowing opportunities for its vendors or the financial profit of any one individual or business other than the club itself.  Denying its own members a free listing that they previously were able to use as a member advantage is wrong.  It actually devalues the members' benefits of membership for no other reason than an attempt to earn some extra money for Greg Gibson.

Signed Carol Baidinger, Metro Detroit, #17241, one of Les Miserables' :-\
« Last Edit: September 27, 2009, 11:00:53 AM by Wheel Interested »

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Re: The Greg Gibson thread
« Reply #2 on: September 27, 2009, 10:59:34 AM »
Well said Carol

What plan of action should we take to oust this guy, the IBT and other Ancients don't get what he's doing.

It appears that he bamboozles them at will.

Can we as group or class make a motion to regain the web forum?

How come Gibson can infringe on the Airstream trademark and goodwill with the IBT not realizing this and recoup their assets.


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Re: The Greg Gibson thread
« Reply #3 on: September 27, 2009, 11:01:45 AM »
The one thing that stands out over everthing else Collier said in his letter to Leo is that Gibson's membership is retroactive to 1/1/09.  |~{

I can't find any referrence to this in the bylaws or Roberts Rules can some show me where this is stated?

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Re: The Greg Gibson thread
« Reply #4 on: September 27, 2009, 11:07:00 AM »
Question 

Is it possible that AndyR was threatened by Gibson to lock the thread?

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Re: The Greg Gibson thread
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2009, 11:16:23 AM »
Question 

Is it possible that AndyR was threatened by Gibson to lock the thread?


That was my first thought, too.

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Re: The Greg Gibson thread
« Reply #6 on: September 27, 2009, 11:19:41 AM »
If they keep your numbers open for two years I think a grace period is accepted procedure in the club.

I think the grievances should be tossed out for intent and content. There is more to be objected to than the date, imo.


« Last Edit: September 27, 2009, 11:21:29 AM by Wheel Interested »

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Re: The Greg Gibson thread
« Reply #7 on: September 27, 2009, 12:27:16 PM »
Holding a member's number in reserve for two years is nothing more than a courtesy.

Retroactively making a membership whole by a member paying their FULL dues (there are no pro-rated provisions in the WBCCI) anytime during the lapsed year is expected and customary in many organizations.

However, there is no vehicle that allows a member whose dues have lapsed, retroactive member benefits and rights once those dues are finally paid.

If that were the case then every issue that was ever decided by the membership by way of casting votes, would be null and void each and every time a member renewed their dues after the vote, during the current year.

When leadership tries to tell the membership that a member retroactively regains rights to days and events prior to their renewal date, they're just filling you full of bull.  They simply don't know any better...  SURPRISED?    >:(
« Last Edit: September 27, 2009, 12:28:48 PM by 65GT »
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Re: The Greg Gibson thread
« Reply #8 on: September 27, 2009, 06:58:02 PM »
I got this email message from Gibson....
Quote from: Gregory Gibson
Timmy Butterball
You've been a very busy boy.
I guess I should thank you since the emails below are all legally loaded and
will be a handsome addition to everything else I've got in your file.
The real clincher is the latest one in which you've now not only hung yourself
but you've implicated, in your own writing, your AirForum staff buddy Richard
and therefore Andy by default and put a nice big ribbon on the whole package
at AirForums. Talk to Andy about that. He's going to love you now.
The hilarious part is that you're double-dipped on both boards.
They'll all have you to thank for what happens next.

Consider yourself as being put on official notice.
Im telling you up front what is going to happen to you now so that
while it is happening you are fully aware who is doing it.
No surprises.

Last evening I filed police reports with the local authorities for cyberstalking
so that there are official records in place.
Im expecting a call back today from the local Federal Cybercrimes Unit of the FBI
with whom I'll also be filing reports and complaints concerning your lengthy cyberstalking campaigns.

Shortly, I'll be filing suit against you in a court of law. You'll get an email notice
from my attorney and then official copies at your residence. We've printed out all the threads and posts you're responsible for as well as copies of all the emails you've sent to various individuals and entities.There are a number of people from your previous units who are eager to have the chance to provide depositions and act as character witnesses as well as a few
individuals who've witnessed your antics over the course of the last several months.

So far, here's how things are shaping up:

[1] Federal & State Cyberstalking crimes
[2] Tortious Business Interference with existing & prospective business relationships
[3] Libel & Slander
[4] Defamation of Character
[5] Unfair Business Practices under NC Law
[6] False Light Invasion of Privacy
[7] Copyright Infringements

Matthew Arnold is my attorney. If you have any questions whatsoever
prior to receiving his paperwork, you can reach him here:
http://www.arnoldsmithlaw.com/Home/

Here are a few things for you to read up on over the weekend:

http://www.multistalkervictims.org/laws/northcarolina.htm#cyberstalking
http://www.dba-oracle.com/internet_defamation_privacy_libel_laws.htm
http://www.dba-oracle.com/internet_laws_false_light_privacy_defamation.htm
http://www.enotes.com/everyday-law-encyclopedia/deceptive-trade-practices
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/875.html
There's an old saying "give a person enough rope and he'll hang himself".
Boy, you sure didnt disappoint.
Ive also got a family member who is a Senior Official in the Attorney General's
Office in Carson City, NV. That will be an interesting conversation for Monday.
Best of luck to you Timmy. Id say you're going to need it.


This came about because I was sending my concerns about the "Miserable Users" hack that Gibson has obviously installed on his forums to block a few people he doesn't like. Charlie Burke got those concerns and forwarded them to Gibson.
Did he try to verify my claims? I don't know. But I am sure of it! Gibson is blocking people intentionally, willfully and purposefully.
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Re: The Greg Gibson thread
« Reply #9 on: September 27, 2009, 07:37:50 PM »
Question for this forums Admins

I heard his butt is banned on Air Forums for all kinds of under handed crap.

Is Greg Gibson permitted to post here and have a opp to defend his alleged accusations of others?


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Re: The Greg Gibson thread
« Reply #10 on: September 27, 2009, 07:42:41 PM »
It appears that Bulls**t letter was answered here

Tim not to worry Gibson is is glueless about the law, if his laywer is telling him what he can do to you he doesn't know Federal law very well.

How many lawyers in NC are going to know FRCP this one answers traffic tickets, Federal lawyers don't do traffic tikets  ;D

You can call the Court system and ask the clerk if he's even admitted to practice in the Federal Courts (not all lawyers are permitted)

THe FBI must be on the edge of their seats with your crimes, they at most took a report and filed it just to get him off the phone.

Tim you need to file a grievience against Gibson.

If fact Tom Collier should file one against Gibson also he's promoting disharmony.

There is no such thing as an official notice, this guy can't even afford to pay a lawyer to write you a letter.

Based on this poorly written threat it appears there is a lack of education of the writter and I don't think he has a pot to piss in or a window to throw it out.

A Federal lawsuit such as he describes is about 10,000 to start and upwards of 150,000 over the 3 years it would take.  Got that much money Gibson? I do!

Hey Gibson want to screw with me I know the Federal laws very well!

We're all tired of your crap go away turn over everything to the club,
buy an SOB
stop selling Airstreams.

I call for Gibson's resignation

John Carrington III

1820 Madison Ave
New York NY

Sue me baby, I dare 'ya


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Re: The Greg Gibson thread
« Reply #11 on: September 27, 2009, 07:49:09 PM »
Oh yea. I forgot that.
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Re: The Greg Gibson thread
« Reply #12 on: September 27, 2009, 08:49:03 PM »
I have been watching here for a very long time. I am now compelled to post.

Club leaders never informs the membership about the realities of our situation. Communications from them on the real issues we face are just not there.

All of the reasons I belong are found at my local unit but now many of us are thinking about going on our own and saving fifty five dollars a year. Who really wants to support this?

To see this forum forum being contracted out to someone that stands to make thousands of dollars. Instead of our club making that money we let someone else pay a hundred or two hundred dollars a year is so sad.

When people put forward their best it's hard to find fault.  In this instance it sure looks like a real scam. When forums could cost them two hundred dollars a year why do we allow just one member to make thousands of dollars and make his business look reputable? What can I get paid to do? Sign me up!

Unless something major happens soon I'm pretty sure we'll be moving on.

If there are any other units that are interested please let me know.  Maybe an exit and loosely based alliance is the way to go now. We could have our own newsletter and invite eachother to all of our events.

What we have now is all about them and not about us. They'll want more dues or they'll want us to have less but what they won't change is what they like and what they need.

From what I read and hear this person is very bad. You should all write grievinces for what he does. This is menacing.
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Re: The Greg Gibson thread
« Reply #13 on: September 27, 2009, 10:41:55 PM »
 :o OMG - Did Gibson REALLY threaten to shoot one of his own customers?
http://www.airforums.com/forums/744212-post24.html

I have heard that he promises to provide manuals with his trailers if they came with them, but then instead sells them on eBay.... I think I will look into this deeper. Heck, finding info on this guy on the internet is like fishing out of a barrel.
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