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[ByamCaravanner]

Tim,

If you ask me, the writer of that email is not "all there" Also if you ask me, Tom Collier should pull Mr Gibson's ties to the WBCCI forum based on what is written in this email. A person in this frame of mind has no business having control of a club entity... that is assuming it is actually a club entity. If not, Mr Collier should severe all club ties to the website and as Carol has said... throw it in the trash and start over, again. 

[RickDavis]

It does appear that possibly it is time to write that forum off and start over.
Does any one want to take the risk of letting us know what happened in region3 and on Air forums??

[Mud Dog]

Does any one want to take the risk of letting us know what happened in region3 and on Air forums??

I second the motion.  We hear extensive innuendo about problems with the subject's hosting the Region3 web site and being banned from Air Forums, but no concrete facts.

Y'all might want to check with your lawyer, but the last I heard, truth was an absolute defense against a claim of libel.  So if anybody knows the truth and speaks it, you're safe from that direction.  Can't say about grievances, though. 

[Simon]

Well, I have the audio clip - but WBCCI rules forbid me of retransmitting them in any way . So I will paraphrase here and tell you where to HEAR the truth on the Region 3 issue.
It goes like this. At the IBT MEETING of Jone 24-2009 you can hear the presentation Charlie Burke makes on the Electronic Communications Committee and the progress on the new forums.

If you go to 2:23:30 in the recording he begins his speech. At 02:23:00 Charlie basically starts selling Greg and all the good he has done for the club. He says how Greg created a website for the region "at his expense" and that he did other things for the club "at no expense to the club".

Fast forward to 02:33:05 into the recording and a call for questions and comments is made. You will hear Julian Clements, Region 3 president step up to the mike and correct Charlie on his facts. It seems that Region 3 paid considerable expense to have the site developed as well as additional yearly maintenance fees - some gift!

They later canceled that in lieu of building a site on the free wbcci.net service.

But it really doesn't end there. Look around these forums and elsewhere. Months back, if you were to visit that site - wbcci3.org - you would be taken to Gibson's home page on his used trailer sales site, not to anything that had anything to do with Region 3. It was my contention, and still is, that this was not necessary and a slap in the face of region 3. When it was first reported that Gibson maintained that site for a while it was discovered also that he owns the domain name. So he could have easily pointed that domain name to the new region 3 site or anywhere. As a webmaster, I know that he could have. But rather, he allowed it to pint to HIS website. It is my opinion that it was cruel and unprofessional to have allowed this to happen.

Anyway, once it was pointed out - several times, he eventually removed that redirect and it now just points to GoDaddy. But still - at no expense to Gibson whatsoever, it could redirect to Region 3's website.... It could, but it doesn't

[Wheel Interested]

I really thought Rick Bell's comments about participation from leadership to answer and comment on bonifide questions and not to ignore issues was spot on.  Kudos to Rick for standing up and giving that major concern a voice.

So now with the alleged end objective of "new software" has there been improvement in the area of participation with leadership in the "back room" of Gibson's forum?  There certainly are plenty of "ushers" to protect at the least sign of "digression."

[69xyz]

Well, I have the audio clip - but WBCCI rules forbid me of retransmitting them in any way

I think you may wish to read the rules, you can transcribe them.

That way you can post the contents herein.

[Simon]

Welcome to the forums - I have thought about transcribing them but it would take me hours right now. Suffice it to say that they so exist on WBCCI's site and they can be downloaded or listened to on the site.
I did listen to them when I was penning my response about the experience that Region 3 had with Gibson as their webmaster.
I don't know what he told Charlie - about all of his donations to the club and Region 3 when he actually charged them for the site according to the Region 3 President, Julien Clements.
Hey - any secretary types there who would be willing to transcribe all of that stuff?

[69xyz]

There are other advantages to transcribing them then posting.

That content will get into Goggle and be indexed thus found by others.

[Simon]

I just read the thread entitled "About WBCCI Airstream Caravans" on Gibson's forums.
I just saw that Silvertwinkie edited a post by byamcaravanner because it contained - and I am not making this up - conjecture.
I searched through the 2788 word Terms of service and didn't see conjecture as an item that warrants moderation. Talk about making your own reality.
What gets me is having a guy like Silvertwinkie looking out for WBCCI's best interests!

Steve, why are you still posting there? Really! Why?

[ByamCaravanner]

Steve, why are you still posting there? Really! Why?

I often ask myself the same question... The exchange you are referring to is a typical one over there.

Greg posted a PR piece on Caravaning. It included an average cost figure of $50-60 a day for a trailer with two. He also included links to the WBCCI Caravan page and The Caravan handbook.

This cost amount seemed low to me so I consulted the link he provided and did the math. The real average cost per day is actually $82... so I posted that (in a polite way).

It was met with a response (and three PMs) from Silvertwinkie saying I was picking nits. I agree that  $22-32 a day seems like a small number, but some of these caravans go 60 days... so this can add up to an additional $1300-1900.

I also did a little research in the Caravan handbook (that Greg also linked) Under the "Kitty" rules it states that in determining the fees, it is better to quote on the high side than to underestimate... right in the club rules! It's always good when you can win an argument with your opponents own rules.

While doing my research I also came across, the fact that the kitty includes the cost of the Caravan leaders expenses for not only the Caravan, but also the trip to scout the caravan. This is also to include mileage reimbursement at the current IRS per mile rate.

This arrangement seemed eerily similar to what we have regarding the International rally... A system in which one group of the club has incorporated rules to have another group of the club pay their camping and travel expenses.

Just pointed that out in my post over there and was told that "although my statement is true, it was meant to incite."  So the truth was expunged from my post.

[65GT]

I'm sorry, I'm really not paying a lot of attention over there, but these repeating stories are just killing me.  TIM -- where's that ROFLMAO emoticon?

This looks more and more like a 5th grade Officers Club, where underachievers set out to rule the world!   Is anyone wearing a cape while online?

Maybe, if your kind and helpful post is going to get tampered with anyway, maybe you ought to just open up with "Hey moron...," at least their tampering with your post would be justified then... 

You gotta love it - so 'the truth was expunged from my post.'  Hey, the hell with the truth, we'll stick with misinformation rather than upset anyone with the truth...

Better watch out -- you might be getting "IP Blocked," "server busy" messages or just long delays, starting today!  I hear the list of Miserable User Hack enrollees is growing!  What a BONEHEAD!

[RickDavis]

Only a few days ago I was reading the coupons  for caravans in the BB.  Just glancing at them , I realized that most of these now are approaching $ 100 a day..  The $ 50. number was valid a few years ago.  I didn't follow  Steves link, but don't doubt the accuracy at all.

I participate over there because I was hoping it would work even though the arrangement was questionable..  Having encountered a bit of personal censorship myself yesterday,  I am fast becoming convinced that every body is being so "respectful"  that little will be accomplished there.

Anything I post from now on will be written in word and then pasted into that forum so I have an original.

Today's questions.  Has Charlie ( who I like and respect) painted himself into a corner and perhaps not know how to get out of it??.

Wasn't "Eubank" a moderator in the beginning, seems to have disappeared now??

[65GT]

Lynn logged in here as recent as yesterday.  I sure thought he was a moderator over there.  If he doesn't show up in the leadership list over there, then my guess is something happened.  Maybe Lynn will give us a word or two?

[Simon]

Maybe Lynn is getting Server Busty messages and blank pages as well.

[RickDavis]

Maybe Lynn is getting Server Busty messages and blank pages as well.

Lynn is not on the  "staff list" any longer. "silvertwinkie" is the new super moderator but only joined on 9/2.

I suspect a story here.