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[Wheel Interested]

After following this thread on the newly instituted WBCCI forums (I am not registered) I can see why this is not appropriate.

http://forum.wbcci.org/forum-feedback/150-classifieds.html

If any member's website should be linked to the WBCCI page it should be and should have been Save wally and the unit guide.  

How did this all come about?  It smacks of nepotism, not that that is any stranger to the WBCCI "friends and family plan" and "what have you done for me lately" merit system.

I also thought it was worth mentioning that a poster has brought it to the public's attention that his post was removed without notification and seemingly without justification.

Shades of things to come?  I'd say that shade is a very shady dark gray, no sunshine in the forecast.

[Simon]

and the best part of all from Cortez (who is he anyway???)

Keep in mind what you see here is not the club website. That is located at wbcci.org.
This forum is linked off that site at no cost to the club.

I also had an offer to WBCCI at no cost to them - plus no ads and BS. In fact, I even threw in the forums AND recovered posts from the old WBCCI site. Wanna see it??
go to http://wbcciforums.org/forum/. I have not added any other boards but I did make sure the old posts from the old site were properly displayed.
Gosh, WBCCI could own this free and clear without having to stoop to the level of depending on a used airstream vendor and having to use his classified ad system to get the job done.

Sorry Charlie....

[Wheel Interested]

That looks great Tim.  The heading looks so much friendlier and casual and approachable, perhaps with displaying Wally's Name and seeing this is a caravan club rather than  the  dry WBCCI acronymn, yadda yadda yadda.  It also has some "meat" to it and its topics as presented by its member participants and not directed in advance as in sterile "Stepford" as the club they would like to see shown to the public.

It also has three other great features going for it.  It already has in good stead past and present forum members who assembled in many cases for years of discussion and as such is truly a timeline of events and ideas, the archives of items addressed and the progress along each topic as a historical or evolutionary process displaying the climate changes and opinions of the concerned members and it did not require approval, authentication, club membership, and a lengthy or obstructive set of criteria for posting.

I am offended that as an active member of the WBCCI forum for years that my time and effort to interact with other members of the forum has been discounted along with their contributions and ideas and mine and we are now required to approach to be admitted to the change created by  those that formerly took no part and will dictate the terms of usage in an effort to control the tone and direction of individual posts and threads.  

I do not want to be  assimulated into this "cleansed" environment without past, present or future.  I see no reason to voluntarily take part and accept the takeover.  Some may think it an improvement.  I see it as censorship and denial.  To say this is a vehicle for communication is the ultimate irony.  

Perhaps those that have registered and have gone to the members' sections can tell the rest of us what we are missing.  Does the current IBT or EC members frequent the new forums?  What are the subjects?  Do they include membership rights and incentives or talk of budget cuts and fiscal wellness?  The modeling was intended to be the framework to allow the officers to be received in a positive environment and allow increased participation by them.  Is that happening?  Are visitors if you are out there, are you having a much more favorable view of the club without opposing views being presented?  I believe that was formerly before the "new speak" labeled "bickering" and badmouthing by those heavily intuned to the code of "ethics."  Would you rate your experience more or less to your liking within the new forums or no change?

[65GT]

Tim -- that looks really sharp!  I can't even contemplate being involved in discussions over an all-volunteer network, without being beholden to anyone, that we opted for a site were members still can't figure out who owns the forum, and why they need to sign up for $30 if they want to sell an Airstream.

Andy R pointed out that even though we won the small battle of insisting that the address be at a club owned site, I guess we needed to point out that the database (the SAFE) needed to be in our possession too.  We should have contracted out our own web presence with a company that's entrenched in that business, and issued an administrative account and password to the 'sponsor.'

I'm even more shocked that under the realm of a CLUB FORUM -- there's yet ANOTHER LINK to an outside company.  What do they actually call this, sponsorship, or being sold a BILL OF GOODS?  Since when did OTC ever dominate our look and feel?

Here's a link, there's a link, everywhere a link-link.  Is our membership being FARMED or RAKED or what?

Oh, so you know what that demo forum is missing?  You got it -- a CLASSIFIED SECTION!  

Nice work -- and a great looking forum.  Unfortunately I don't expect anyone to ever get us out of this mess.  PAR for the course...  F-O-R-E!

By the way folks -- listing an Airstream for sale here is FREE, and yes, you can add all the photos you like!!  Of course our Classified Terms of Service applies, so make sure you check it out!

[Simon]

Actually, That is not a problem, but not needed right now. A classified ad section should be moderated just like the rest of the forums. Define what constitutes abuse (selling 8 trailers at a time) and eliminate the problem.
We don't need what we were sold - and like I said, it's too late to back out. Afterall considerable expense has been given to produce those forums, the owner has to recoup his costs.
My offering would have cost me nothing - nothing at all and it would have been free to the WBCCI.
Hey - it's there. Feel free to sign up and start posting....

[Bob280]

Hey Simon, you sold me, where do I sign up?

[Wheel Interested]

How come everyone has to identify themselves in their posts except the super administrator Cortez?

[Bob280]

Tim, is yor forum temporary or will it be forever? Hope the latter.
If you do continue with it, pleaswe select a darker color then the orange, us old foggies have trouble reading it. Thanks.

Bob T

P.S. No, am not blind and can see bad leadership and poor budget planning when it comes down the pike.

[Simon]

Cause Greg, er I mean Cortez doesn't want you to know who he is... Reminds me of something NashvilleIan told me in an email message..... Something about people who hide behind keyboards being sissys or something like that.

Bob, I have no reason to shut down that forums. It costs me practically nothing to run. I want the liks of Charlie and the IBT to see that the path taken was the wrong path.

Also, Bob - I am a young guy and that color was a little too light - so I am using EXACTLY the same color being used on Greg's forums.  
Is that better??

[Wheel Interested]

I registered too for yours Tim.

Why would anyone register and accept the TOS of that other site when even the super administer does not abide by the rules of using his signature and not linking to a commercial website, everyone except for the super administer, that is.  Hrumph, me thinks.

[Simon]

Yea I see that! Thanks for the vote of confidence. Now if WBCCI leadership will take a look... Maybe even Charlie??? 

[Wheel Interested]

Banned or just plain banal?  Are the super powers actually scouring other forums and mining unsolicited personal information from other member sites to prevent non-registered guests from browsing the club's open pages?  My club can do that?  Actually that's what I pay the big bucks for, isn't it?    Somebody tell me this is just a glitch and the site is malfunctioning currently???

[65GT]

It's all fun and games over there at PLEASANTVILLE, isn't it?

"Pay no attention to that man behind the curtain!"    - Wizard of Oz

"Until they become conscious they will never rebel, and until after they have rebelled they cannot become conscious"  - George Orwell 1984

"Where am I going to see colors like that? Must be awfully lucky to see colors like that. I bet they don't even know how lucky they are."             - Pleasantville

You don't think that the leadership is actually web savvy enough to even grasp what is really going on there, do you?  What color is that, exactly?     

[Wheel Interested]

Well if it's not a glitch then I must have said something right.  B I N G O      

[Simon]

HOLY MOLY! Carol - you got banned! Did you get ahy warnings? Anything? This is so out of hand! Banning IP addresses - I would ask charlie in an email message why you were banned!