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[65GT]

That's right folks -- pompous asses don't care about divisive issues.  They only care about putting their personal stamp on a fifty one year old clubs' name.  Name changers aren’t concerned about declining memberships -- they're not concerned about the clubs history,  about turning over control to a corporation, it’s just any means to an end.  All they care about is that during their time they were able to change the name of the club -- nothing more...

So we've got pompous asses in play at the top tiers of leadership and their vision of the club is all that matters – to them. It's never mattered that the majority of members wanted hands off. It never mattered that the membership never wanted this change. It all started with some pompous ass and a survey. Then it was 12 pompous asses with a positive return of just 750+ members.

It never mattered to them that 6000+ members threw the survey out -- it only mattered that ANY number of members replied in the positive. It wouldn't have mattered if 250 people returned the survey and only 150 said yes.

...and it never will matter. The IBT is going to manipulate this until they get their name change. We recognize that many on the executive committee see what is happening here and disapprove.  That changing the name of the club is SERIOUS business and should not be done without careful consideration.  It also shouldn't be done on whim.  There should be extensive research done to show that the change is first NECESSARY.  That benefits will be derived from a constitutional amendment, and that there will NOT be a negative impact as a result.
 
It's that other half of the IBT.  It's the Region Presidents, Vice Presidents, and officers that are toying with OUR club this time.

When the membership drops again they won't even acknowledge that it was their playing with the name.  That it was the strife THEY caused within the membership that is to blame.  They'll just blame that on something else. They'll never make the connection back to their controversial efforts.  To how Region Officers will have successfully divided the club.

They'll be proud when they finally put a mark on OUR club. They'll be pompous ass proud...

We intend to track exactly who is playing with fire here and we're going to call them out by name -- one by one.  It will be the WBACI Pompous Ass Plaque and we'll have it made and display it proudly.

[Luminumtraila]

65GT -- Is there any update on this?  Do you know what the activity is to try to bring up the name change again, or has it been dumped?

[65GT]

There were far too many at International that had the opinion that this wasn't the end of it.  They (or those they know) would be bringing this one right back up the line.

I'm guessing we'll hear first about it at the Winter IBT meeting.  Better to be prepared than to be caught off guard.  If it happens we'll be sure to focus on the source, call them out as meddlers and dividers and start the campaign all over again.

It's especially painful when meddler's completely disregard all of the legal issues involved in renting the name from Thor.  They also ignore the pure identity of the club that has survived 51+ years without their wishful thinking.  I think if they do come forward we should encourage them to go start their own club.  It's apparent these meddling twits know or care little about issues that will do nothing but divide the membership.  You have to believe that is actually all that they're after.  You can't justify inserting the a-word into the club name.

No matter what your argument for adding the word to the name you'd first have to explain why the constitution should be changed, why the name should be rented, when the current club name is the exact same name in place for fifty one plus years -- the same name that existed when membership reach more than 25,000 member families.

To think that the name change is NEEDED is simply somebodies daydream.  $23K to satisfy the egos of a few that THINK they have the solution to declining membership -- that think the club is unknown -- that think we don't get exactly the exposure that we seek.

I still find it amusing that I have to explain what A**streams are to non-rv'rs.  Most don't know what the trailers are by saying the name.  Once you tell them shiny round trailers they probably saw as a kid you get a positive response followed by "they still make those?".

For those that need to find the club I suggest google.  Just enter what you think might work (it's just that simple) and the wbcci shows up...  Do we really need anything more than that?

[Wheel Interested]

I am surprised to hear that.  I am glad you are abreast of its development.  Do you also view that as there may be greater resistance to voting changes in the interum so they can ram their agenda through more easily?  I would think saving the name and making more voices heard would be considered opposition and targeted hard.  Any idea besides Ray Bend (I would guess) who is supporting this?

[65GT]

I don't think Roy is involved at all.  R.B. was merely assigned to head a committee and he did his job.  Actually, from a logistics point of view you would have expected any committee chartered with coming up with the best name for the club would have come up with the exact same name.  AOA also happened to be the name of an A**stream corporate club that failed years ago -- so they (THOR) were just going to get it back again.

The difference is that putting together a name change committee that has to look at all the possibilities for exposure and identity would have never come up with the Wally Byam anything...  You couldn't do that if you were merely looking at facts and figures.  If a new club were to come about you would expect it to be the AOAI or AOC(club)I.  It actually makes sense.

But that's the difference between a Spock decision and a  Captain Kirk decision (sorry it's the only analogy I can pull out of thin air).

Spock would go with logical -- Kirk would go with what sounds romantic or adventurous and probably never call the Enterprise a 'Star Class Ship' (which in fact is what the Enterprise is) [i.e., which in fact is what the WBCCI is - AOA].

No -- the people that STILL want to see the A-word in the club name are only thinking about marking their personal time in the club -- what a difference THEY were able to make.  They'll be able to point back in time and say (that's when WE changed the club name -- it was MY idea!).  There's little purpose beyond that -- nothing to be gained -- nothing to be had -- just $23K+ (and don't believe ANY name change would cost any less than $50K-$100K by the time it was over) to be dropped in the dumper.

It seems like an easy change and that's the only reason it was ever attempted.  Just look at the list of names and iterations of that people came all out of the woodwork with.  Did it sound exciting?  Sure it did -- until the reality hit home that 99.9% of the names individuals (not groups) thought would sound great weren't even in the running.

No, the ones that still want to pursue the name change are the ones that thought the thing was their idea to begin with -- no matter what unit the motion actually came out of.  If it's coming this year I expect we'll hear about it from the winter IBT...

As far as the voting changes we're working on this is a real change members can put their support around.  All members!  The only members I could see that would think this is a bad idea are leaders that don't trust their members to make decisions.  Leaders are sensitive about taking their power away you know...

Oh, might as well put it here...  I'm wrapping up Rev 6 and then one last review from the group.  It's real torture because every time you change a phrase or a sentence you really have to re-read the entire constitution looking for loop-holes and statements that need to be adjusted.  I'm guilty of avoiding that so far and have left it to others to find the obvious problems.  But before it goes online (3-5 days?) I've got to STUDY this whole thing and make sure it makes sense.  I always hated studying -- arghhh!  I'm hoping when we open it up most think it looks decent.  I'm thinking we should send it to the Constitution and Bylaws committee before we send it to every unit to make sure there aren't any inherent problems that we're not seeing.  I think that's the right way to go anyway...