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Re: From-the-Floor Candidate for International Nominating Committee
« Reply #105 on: April 28, 2009, 01:44:28 PM »

Got my ballot. Laura good job on the prefix to Leo's statement.  I voted and wrote in Leo and one no to a candidate for nominating committee.  I don't know if anyone else is running for anything else but of course except for Leo's information, none is mentioned or available to recipients of this ballot.

I would still like shorter and no kitty fee and less cities but this might be Joe's best shot at leading a caravan for our unit so I will probably vote yes in support of his efforts to be numbered.
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Re: From-the-Floor Candidate for International Nominating Committee
« Reply #106 on: April 28, 2009, 11:29:21 PM »

I just received another private email, where the unit name is not to be publicized, but an almost identical result to what we've seen out of the Northern Illinois Unit.  I've taken 100% of another unit with ~75 members, and Don McKelvay was just a few votes shy of unanimous.

Still, not to be carried away by this news -- it's still those 120 units we know nothing about that leave cause for concern.

Will their unit leadership share news of my candidacy with their membership?  Will my name be listed on their local ballots, or will the IPs regrettable actions be cloned at the local level?
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Re: From-the-Floor Candidate for International Nominating Committee
« Reply #107 on: April 29, 2009, 07:41:47 PM »

Have you asked the unit presidents directly if they have shared the information?  I would think that is a reasonable question and would be answered if asked.  I think it would be corrected or a reminder just in the mere question but I think a question of that particular gravity deserves a response, at the very least.  Perhaps a checklist of units or survey will be helpful.  Regular elections are monitored, it seems proper and meet to do so to me.

Congratulations on your success in the poled units, quite impressive.  It is good to know that where you are known you are a front runner. 
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Re: From-the-Floor Candidate for International Nominating Committee
« Reply #108 on: April 30, 2009, 09:58:37 PM »

Honestly, I didn't expect to have to go back to the well with the request, or the follow-up.  I'm getting feedback on voting results, and to date there was only one unit where I've lost.  But, we learned last year that no news was bad news, which is why I'm encouraging everyone to either post their unit results, or at least send me an email (pm) so I can try to gauge what's really going on.

I received another unexpected email this afternoon stating McKelvay and I took another ~40 sized unit together in their elections, but again, reporting of every kind is minimal.

I'm more apt to email entire units where I'm getting complaints from members as to how their membership is turning a blind eye to the truth, and leave the rest alone.  The real bottom line is I'm not going away.  If we can build more support than we did last year, then that trend is worth chasing.

If we've lost support this year, it's clearly the IPs obstructionist and protectionist policies, compounded by local leaders following suit, and THAT can be corrected.  Comparing Bozeman results with Madison results will, in the event of a loss, will clearly dictate what needs to be done next year, and regardless of who is at the helm between Madison and Laramie, if I lose in '09, I will definitely run again in '10.

I think that if I do win this year, that I'll run from the floor in '10 for the Treasurer's slot, and I'll telegraph to the membership what I'm capable of doing, and not capable of doing, and the membership will decide what they need from a Treasurer with their votes.

What the club truly needs to get out of this one-party funk, is for more and more serious members to run for any and all of these positions, and clearly state to the membership how they'll serve their terms.  I think reduced travel and increased financial savings (much bigger than what I can offer at the INC level) would have a ton of support.

Maybe it's time in this bottom-up org for the members to tell the leaders what is required, and what is wastefull...
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Re: From-the-Floor Candidate for International Nominating Committee
« Reply #109 on: May 20, 2009, 07:47:35 AM »

More good news, and more silence...

I hear a unanimous result out of a ~50ish Southern Region 3 Unit (waiting to see if I can name names) for both McKelvay and me.  I'm also hearing (no hard numbers) that I'm getting majority votes in Region 1.  That is that the majority of Region 1 Units are voting overwhelmingly for McKelvay/Garvey.  We'll see what the real numbers turn out to be...

With 18 units in Region 2 there's no sure thing.  In fact, while I carried Region 2 in '08, that was primarily due to the large votes that came out of the Ontario and Washington DC Units (thanks guys!).  Nine out of the 18 Units appear to have BLOCK VOTED for the slate in '08.  We'll see if there are any changes in '09, shortly...

So back to the silence... Anyone have any word from any other regions?

We're headed for the Region 2 Rally in Niagara Falls in a few hours.  Not sure what wifi will look like up there, but I'll give it a shot...
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Re: From-the-Floor Candidate for International Nominating Committee
« Reply #110 on: May 26, 2009, 09:36:28 PM »

I got some pleasant news up at the Region 2 Rally.  Looks like I'm carrying many units that I did not carry last year.  We'll see when the final tallies come out, but if I can somehow pick-up more votes in the face of your IP's deliberate attempts to keep members from knowing that they have a real choice, any increase  will be huge.


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Re: From-the-Floor Candidate for International Nominating Committee
« Reply #111 on: June 02, 2009, 07:01:13 AM »

It would seem to me, that no matter our IP trying to hide declared candidates for office, that somehow the Minnesota Unit managed to get the word.  These results look too good to leave a write-in to chance, so I'll assume my name was on the ballot, and that members were fully informed of the materials at http://13panels.com

Minnesota Unit Results, posted at their website:

MN Unit Results for the 2009 International Election

Based on 67 available votes

International President:                   Tom Collier - - - - - - - 67

International 1st Vice President:       Norm Beu - - - - - - - - 67

International 2nd Vice President:      Barry Heckenswiler - - - 67

International 3rd Vice President:       Don Clark - - - - - - - - 67

International Recording Secretary:    Anne Worth - - - - - -  67

International Treasurer:                   Myron Fischer - - - - - 67

...and, in the only competitive election this club has:

Nominating Committee: (vote for 2)   Roy Bernd - - - - - - - 27

                                                  Leo Garvey - - - -  - - 50

                                                  Don McKelvay - - - - - 57

Just imagine what could be if your IP and many Region Presidents just allowed the word to get through?  Obstructionist, protectionist, disenfranchising club members' rights to be informed?  You bet...

You'll find the original posting here:

http://minnesota.wbcci.net/2009/06/01/election-results-are-in/

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Re: From-the-Floor Candidate for International Nominating Committee
« Reply #112 on: June 16, 2009, 07:41:22 AM »

The IP should be proud of himself.  His plan of misinformation (as in lack of information) is assuredly working.  Even though I have emailed every unit in the club on my candidacy, I was just informed about another unit where the slate was discussed, but nobody could (or would) produce the name of anyone running from the floor, namely, ME.  Members went forward, uninformed at their business meeting and it's our IPs fault -- clear and simple.

So when you LACK real leadership at the top, can you expect a good number of subordinate lemmings below (Region Presidents, followed by Unit Presidents), to take up the very same chant "some members may choose to run from the floor," instead of telling their members the TRUTH, that at least one member has declared he is running from the floor?  Oh yes you can, and we've been watching this one unfurl since April.  Declared prior to March 1st, I will be nominated, and I will have, from the most aware units in this club, some number of votes cast for the 'from the floor' candidate.  The rest?  Merely the carnage of an IP that couldn't be bothered to tell you the truth.

This entire plan to keep declared candidates from the membership is really an assault on open and fair elections.  It completely disenfranchises our entire membership, is a total disgrace, and telegraphs the overall incompetence of our international leadership as a whole.  Who will stand for this obstructionist, protectionist form of government? A leadership that fails the membership of this club annually?

Blue Beret, April 2009, President's Corner, 2nd Column, last paragraph, "In this issue you will see the resumes of each qualified individual who was interviewed and selected by the Nominating Committee.  Because we have a full slate of recommended officers and a significant projected budget deficit, resumes from individuals who are considering "Running from the Floor" without the benefit of being interviewed by the Nominating Committee, have been provided the option to place their resumes in the "Blue Beret" at their own expense.  Special discounted ad rates have been approved as a courtesy to them."

A complete and total crock, our own IP's words...

A)  Qualified to do what?  Post annual membership loss reports.  LOSE significant amounts of money on what is the primary responsibility of their Presidency, our International Rally?  Qualified?  If this is the best THEY can select amongst themselves (because the membership does NOT), then the demise of this club is already cast in reinforced concrete.

B)  Full Slate of Recommended Officers / Significant Projected Budget Defecit. Hello?  We have a ~30 year track record of IP's turning in MEMBERSHIP LOSSES.  That number is now so low (28,000+ down to 6,600) that we're below critical mass.  We WILL turn in financial operating losses until we can get THESE unanimous head nod elected leaders OUT of our hair.  Why wouldn't you publish the campaign statement of anyone running from the floor, that will by the mere act of being elected, SAVE this club nearly TWO THOUSAND DOLLARS (versus a $390 valued (not by me) page)?  Because YOUR interest is to see the current system of failure perpetuated.  You have no interest in seeing somebody come forward with a plan that will disrupt this decrepit worm ridden apple cart!

C)  Publish a page at my expense?  DENIED!!  This member opted to pay that $390 page fee and was DENIED.  The IP didn't like the fact that I took our (lack of) leadership of this club to task, outlining that they are losing MEMBERS, and now losing MONEY each and every year.  The IP didn't like the fact that I'd do the job for FREE, and then in the end sent a letter to me claiming I was late (which I was not -- I was working WITH headquarters) to complete the task.

Oh hey -- and don't forget to copy the corporate attorney on that letter -- another attempt at intimidation?  >(0)

This is what feckless leadership does -- they create their own protectionist, obstructionist environment.  One in which they can HIDE the real truth from the membership, and in this case, actually get away with it. >(0)  Where are the other 6 members of the Executive Committee on this issue  >(0) ?  Where are the 12 Region Presidents watching this all take place?  >(0)  These folks are our Board of Trustees, and yet as a body they mostly bow down to the IP and watch him run his reign of terror on this club for just one year, until the next feckless administration can be put in place.

Am I ticked off -- you bet I am.  I'm ticked off that such a poor system of leadership could exist in the first place.  I'm ticked that all subordinate leaders (Region and Units) aren't watching these folks take our club directly to the trash heap without a giant uproar.

Hey -- see you all in Madison.  If our system of primary color uniforms hasn't rocked your world yet, two pieces of advice.  YES, it is a bad episode of the Twilight Zone, and constantly repeating "It's only a movie, it's only a movie" might get you through it.  Make sure you're out of town when the White Tuxes hit the stage -- yes, I did say White Tuxes...

We're FORTY YEARS behind in badly needed improvements, that now amounts to desperately needing a complete overhaul, and we're on a crystal clear path to dissolution.  Your unanimous head nod elected leadership simply wouldn't have it any other way...

Wake up people!!
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Re: From-the-Floor Candidate for International Nominating Committee
« Reply #113 on: June 16, 2009, 10:30:23 AM »

Unfortunately, I am from one of the units where the President did a very good job of concealing the fact of your candidacy.  I sent an email to all members, informing them of the fact and held an informal meeting at a rally, but that had only a limited effect.

With fuel prices again spiraling, how many cancellations will there be and how much will be the loss at this year's International?  How many of our aging membership will die or cease traveling this year?  How many folks that lose their jobs or feel the effect of their savings evaporating will decide that continued membership doesn't make sense?  If there is any improvement this year in the number of membership losses, it will only be because the pool of those who can be lost has shrunk.

Sadly, by and large, I see no great hope from the Region Presidents.  On the most part, they simply sit mute and go along with the flow.  We do have an upcoming Region President who I am sure will speak his piece (as he has done at seminars), but the wait until his term may be too long for the club.
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Re: From-the-Floor Candidate for International Nominating Committee
« Reply #114 on: June 24, 2009, 07:25:17 PM »

Note well the ceremonial flags, uniforms, pageantry, and gold jackets.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJMIzpkbChE&NR=1
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Re: From-the-Floor Candidate for International Nominating Committee
« Reply #115 on: June 24, 2009, 07:52:53 PM »

Funny how you have that mentality at one end while many of the others in power sit back like “Sergeant Shultz”, “I see nothing, I hear nothing”.

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